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Released Games => NightSky => Topic started by: Nifflas on July 24, 2011, 22:27:19

Title: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 24, 2011, 22:27:19
Version 1.1 of NightSky is now avaliable at the download area here (http://www.nicalis.com/nightsky/game)! The new version have much better full-screen support that doesn't need to change the game resolution (thanks to Ultimate Walrus (http://www.ultimatewalrus.com/) for the Multimedia Fusion extension).

Thing is, I'm not yet 100% sure this will work perfectly on everyone's computers, which is why I don't yet dare to update the Steam version before I know people don't have problems with this build. After all, the non-Steam version still let you use an older build of the game.

Steam users who want to try this feature can grab an NightSky 1.1 executable here (http://www.ni2.se/files/games/NightSky11.exe) though! Let me know how this build works for you. If there are no problems I'll update it on Steam too.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Miss Paula on July 25, 2011, 15:57:01
in fullscreen, it runs in super-slomo on my computer. But looks nice/correct at least. :P
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 25, 2011, 20:08:14
Ouch, that'll be a problem. If the game changes the minimum requirements, it's difficult to update the Steam version of the game. I must contact Clickteam and see if the problem can be fixed that right now prevents me to both support a full-screen and change resolution mode in the same executable.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: PONTO on July 25, 2011, 20:32:05
On my system it works well, except that I sometimes happen upon a "Program stopped working" error when I press Esc on the main menu. It's not really a problem for me though, other than being annoying.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 25, 2011, 20:57:32
That's odd. Does the error message provide any more information, like some debug info?
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: PONTO on July 25, 2011, 21:02:34
No, just the standard "This program stopped working. Windows is trying to find a solution to the problem."
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 25, 2011, 23:26:49
Aaw, too bad. I'd really need some kind of debug info.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: PONTO on July 26, 2011, 12:20:19
Actually it says "stdrt.exe has stopped working."
Not sure if that's of any help, though... :S
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: LPChip on July 26, 2011, 12:40:25
It doesn't.

I doubt any info will help getting this fixed though. Only if a debug build is present with a logfile, then it could be found out where things go wrong.

As in: write every action to a textfile, and see what the last action was.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 26, 2011, 13:20:40
Well, that still tells me it's a crash in the Multimedia Fusion 2 runtime and not in the new full screen extension. It means it's a bit more difficult to track down the exact nature of the problem than if the crash was in the extension file. I wonder how many machines it happens on.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: LPChip on July 26, 2011, 13:43:31
Uh, Nifflas. When you compile your game into an exe, it will always say its stdrt.exe, even if the error occurs in a .dll file or module.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on July 26, 2011, 13:53:05
Nope, it won't. It'll be the name of the .mfx that caused the crash. This have helped me track down many bugs before. Sometimes it can also be a Windows .dll, like the Saira crash some people had that would show the crash happened in ntdll.dll
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: LPChip on July 26, 2011, 14:29:23
Ic. My appologies then. :)
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: neurasthenic on September 28, 2011, 12:19:40
Hello everyone,

I've bought the game on steam and I've got serious fullscreen problems.
Is Nightsky on steam updated to 1.1?
Where I can find information which version I'm running?
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: AA on October 01, 2011, 08:50:04
I don't have Steam, but I suppose the version number is in the Game.ini file, inside the installation folder of NightSky.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: neurasthenic on October 04, 2011, 07:33:41
Thanks for info. It's version 1.0.0

Steam users who want to try this feature can grab an NightSky 1.1 executable here (http://www.ni2.se/temp/NightSky%2011.exe) though!

Unfortunately the link doesn't work :-( Could you please give correct one?
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on October 04, 2011, 14:38:46
I fixed the broken link. The url have changed, but check the original post.

I'm still having the problem with that the change is not backwards compatible with version 1.0 (I can not support both full screen modes because of MMF2), and the 1.1 screen mode by that reason also change the minimum system requirements. With the Fastspring version I offer a 1.0 download for those who prefer the old mode, but on Steam I can't offer two separate versions that you can chose between.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: neurasthenic on October 06, 2011, 19:31:08
Thanks, version 1.1 works perfectly on my PC  :) (i5 + HD6950 +  Win7)
Now the only thing I miss are steam achievements  :)
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: freibooter on November 12, 2011, 16:13:20
It's such a great little game and such a shame that from a technical point of view it's such a terrible let down.  :sigh:

Like for apparently most people fullscreen doesn't work for me in the current Steam build / v1.0 - the almost stamp sized screen is borderline useless on a 1080p monitor. :(

v1.1 does fix this, but at the cost of rather terrible screen tearing. Forcing Vsync for the NightSky.exe inside the Nvidia control panel did not solve this ... it's eye wateringly bad to keep your eyes on the distorted ball. Other than that it's smooth (i5-2400, 8GB, Geforce GTS 250, Win7 64bit).

So neither version really makes me happy. Nifflas, I hope you haven't given up on fixing this  and I hope 1.2 will eventually be released - it such a shame that this great game is held back by these borderline game-breaking technical problems. I'd also like to see Steam Achievements and gamepad support, but I guess Joy2Key will do for now ...

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[...] but on Steam I can't offer two separate versions that you can chose between.

That's not true! Several games already do this, mostly those available in both DirectX9 and DirectX10/11 versions. You can have different .exes on Steam, you can have a Steam-Popup asking the user which version to launch on every launch,  you can even have several entries in the right click menu of your game including a link to the settings.exe etc. Steam is actually very flexible and considering that both 1.0's and 1.1's only difference is the .exe file this is something that Steam is perfectly capable of handling.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on November 13, 2011, 00:06:21
Hmm, perhaps I should do that.

Thing about upscaling with preserving pixels is that... well, again, Multimedia Fusion 2 limitation. An upscaling that preserves the pixels require an increase of exactly 200% or 300%. I can do that, but that makes the minimum screen resolution for upscaling 1200x678. Sure, lots of monitors support that, but to e.g. fit NightSky on a resolution of, say, 1024x768, the pixels need to be blurred.

The problem is, MMF2 doesn't let me change between a blurred or pixely upscale at runtime either. I can only make that selection at edit-time, so, I'd need yet another executable.

I don't like settling for these crap solutions because I'm working in a tool that can't even do basic stuff that's expected from a game today. I can't have my time wasted. I guess the resolution problem will have to suck about every game I do, including The Great Work and the new KnyttWaDF. Exile Game Jam however opened my eyes for how amazing Unity is, and perhaps it's about time I realize that I have grown out of MMF2 since long ago and begin to work with something more appropriate.

Luckily, Nifflas' Games is doing fine. After KnyttWaDF, I'll actually be able to afford not being productive for a while. As things look right now, my plan after KnyttWaDF is to pick up Unity or whatever other tool that seem interesting, and just go wild and experimental for a while. I dunno, perhaps do tons of minigames and prototypes? Just learn new stuff for a while.

I'll probably update NightSky 1.1 on Steam now that I know I can have separate executables. I'm not investing more time in resolution problems for that game though when they're not my fault in the first place.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Widget on November 13, 2011, 02:02:25
I get rather sick and tired of all these people nitpicking over utterly irrelevant details. The default windowed version is absolutely beautiful and if people spent as much time playing as they do complaining I'm sure they'd come to see that.

Unless played on a CRT monitor at an absurd resolution it's easily big enough to see all the detail and, if it's having it windowed that's the problem, the black-bordered fullscreen at default resolution takes care of that.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: egomassive on November 13, 2011, 08:14:50
The problem is, MMF2 doesn't let me change between a blurred or pixely upscale at runtime either. I can only make that selection at edit-time, so, I'd need yet another executable.
You can have both blurry (with black borders) and pixely scaling at runtime with MMF2. My Knytt Stories mod does it. No, it's not a simple or obvious solution, but it works like any user would expect it to.

Just to be clear Nifflas, I'm posting this as I think it may be a useful technique to use in your future Multimedia Fusion based creations.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 17, 2011, 20:48:53
i have problem with running 1.1. version purchased from indieroyale, i have winxp and after running nightsky.exe i got only popup error msg "cannot load ultimatefullscreen.mfx. this object might ..."
i have tried to change settings to each possible but with same result.
demo 1.0 worked ok for me, can i somehow fix this ? thanks
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: LPChip on November 17, 2011, 23:14:49
Have you properly installed/extracted everything to a directory on your harddrive that you have full access to?

You cannot run the game from whitin the zipfile.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 18, 2011, 20:46:42
i have installed it via iinstaller, not by extraction of zip archive.. btw on another computer with vista it works ok
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 21, 2011, 21:53:08
so no help for me with full 1.1 version on win xp ?
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on November 21, 2011, 23:59:59
I just don't know what causes it. Could be a dependency in the full-screen object, perhaps you need to install this (http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=29) but I'm really quite unsure.

It's, again, why I need to get into Unity in the future instead of MMF2.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 22, 2011, 22:56:06
ok can i somehow downgrade my version to 1.0 which should maybe work ok (demo worked ok on that xp machine)
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on November 23, 2011, 00:10:16
You can get version 1.0 at the download area, check the mail you got when you purchased the game. If you used the installer, the savegames will be kept.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 23, 2011, 23:27:19
but i purchased game as part of indieroyale bundle - and there is only one installer available which contains version 1.1
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: LPChip on November 24, 2011, 11:43:50
but i purchased game as part of indieroyale bundle - and there is only one installer available which contains version 1.1

Go to http://nifflas.ni2.se, and get the demo of the 1.0 version. Then transfer the serial textfile to that directory to unlock it.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Nifflas on November 24, 2011, 17:34:07
That doesn't work for NightSky, it's not serial based.

However, send me a message from nifflas.ni2.se and I'll get you access to the download area.
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: ulu on November 24, 2011, 23:16:55
ok i had wrote you a message .
Title: Re: Version 1.1 is up!
Post by: Jotamide on December 30, 2011, 00:57:04
Nifflas, this version totally fixes the Full Screen mode for the Steam version. However, it took me a while to get there. This topic should be stickied; the current sticky thread is outdated.