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Title: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on September 24, 2011, 10:23:40
I started work on this level about a week after I posted my last level. I began with the idea of making a level that only used tilesets, gradients and (mostly) custom objects that I created because I felt so uncreative at points using so many other people's art.

Some stuff about making the level:
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I'd say I'm about 15 to 20% done now and hopefully I can keep up the same speed when working on it. I decided to wait to post this thread until I felt my productivity lull so I could create some kind of expectation to force myself not to give up on it. I'm already invested with over ten tilesets (albeit with repeating content in quite a few) and 64 custom objects so I feel as if I have to keep going...

Info Screen:
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/Info.png)

Screenshots:
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/1235.png)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/12235.png)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/1245.png)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/12w46.png)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/23512.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: LPChip on September 24, 2011, 10:36:42
This looks really really good. I like the attention for details, even though there could be a little bit more detail. At places where nothing happens, it seems a bit symmetrical.

Example: the third screen could have something in the sky. Perhaps a sun or some clouds. Same for the last screenshot.

The second last screenshot could have somekind of panel in the top section. But these are just more refinements to an already awesome looking screen. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on September 24, 2011, 14:14:20
I am anticipating this immensely!

I agree with LPChip's comment that while this looks extremely pretty, the locations are also quite dull. However, I like this a lot! Your screenshots have a bleak, dystopian feel that you shouldn't feel pressured to change if it fits with your vision for the level.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on September 24, 2011, 23:18:49
Guys, it's called 'The Empty Planet'!


Screenshots look fantastic. I don't normally get into environmental levels but this looks great.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on September 24, 2011, 23:26:35
Looking fantastic so far. I like the hilly gradient in the third screen. It creates a deep perspective without making the foreground feel flatter. I also like the attention to light and shadow. As far as the symmetry concerns go, I say it depends. For instance buildings tend to be built symmetrically and in repeating patterns so that's not much of an issue. The only place I see a possible issue is in the third screen where the trees trunks (I'm not sure that's what they are, just guessing) are very similar in size and distance from the kiosk. But, I wouldn't see it as a problem if they had been planted rather than naturally placed.

At any rate, I'm sure the lull is only temporary. You sound genuinely inspired to make this level. I'm very much interested to see how the story unfolds. It sounds too complicated for the KS engine. I'm hoping you're on to a brilliant new way to manage a plot in a Knytt story.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: vonToast on December 18, 2011, 04:30:13
Could I be a beta tester? I REALLY want to try this out  :P2
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on January 08, 2012, 22:45:23
Very beautiful.  Hope you finish it!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on April 23, 2012, 19:31:38
I have some progress. I slowed down a lot on production after I posted this but I have been doing some. I thought I'd post some screens of that.

(http://i.imgur.com/ID2BE.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tACtU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/9Ptp8.png)

And here's a playthrough of older stuff: http://youtu.be/HySqf8StxjQ
I don't know why the sound is so quiet and muddy but I'm new to capturing video.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Comhon on April 23, 2012, 20:02:49
Very detailed level. You work on it really hard.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on April 23, 2012, 22:38:20
Wow! Puts my stuff to shame. *gives a star*
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: LPChip on April 23, 2012, 23:11:37
These screens are fantastic! I love how you added shadow to the image. Something I don't see happen often.

:hiddenstar: from me. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: GrayFace on April 24, 2012, 10:09:35
I have mixed feelings. It's great that you're making a new level, but it's sad that it's environmental. Looking forward to it anyway.

I don't know why the sound is so quiet and muddy but I'm new to capturing video.
I'd recommend Camtasia Studio, but it's not free. Haven't watched the video, but if sound is bad, make sure you have stereo mixer as the source and microphone sound turned off in system sound settings.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on April 24, 2012, 12:36:08
Well I for one am delighted your making an environmental.  There is not nearly enough of them.  (In fact I just wish I could get environmentals for actual game systems.) 

These look so fantastic.  Very good work.   :hiddenstar: :hiddenstar: :hiddenstar:
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Raicuparta on April 24, 2012, 12:41:59
Well I for one am delighted your making an environmental.  There is not nearly enough of them.  (In fact I just wish I could get environmentals for actual game systems.) 

These look so fantastic.  Very good work.   :hiddenstar: :hiddenstar: :hiddenstar:
Have you ever tried games by thatgamecompany (http://thatgamecompany.com/)? I'd say "environmental" describes them nicely.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on April 24, 2012, 13:38:46
This is probably the best manipulation of the Knytt Stories engine I've ever seen. I really appreciate the effort you put into telling a story, as it presumably involved a lot of room duplication. My only issue is you've deviated far enough from how Knytt Stories levels traditionally play that I was a little confused just watching it, but that shouldn't be a problem if you have some subtle tutorial-like elements that introduce players to the things you've changed.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on April 24, 2012, 22:00:32
@Raicuparta:  Those look interesting.  Too bad I can't play most of them.  I guess in my mind environmental implies adventure as well, some kind of exploration.   

@Sergiocornaga:  Yeah!  I think the idea of knytt stories engine only being used for further knytt stories is to completely limit it's  versatility and capacity.  I don't see the need for tutorial in such a case. 

@plural:  Holy molly dude, just saw the walk through.  You are a god of story telling through game making my friend.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on April 30, 2012, 08:09:27
Thank you guys for the comments, I appreciate them more than you know.

Anyway, I made a blog to put up and work through content for the level. I didn't want to constantly bump this thread for idle thoughts and screens and I also wanted to have a further barrier for people who don't want to spoiled because I'm going to be talking about the game in depth and possibly spoil a lot of the story. I won't forget about this thread but I'm just massively neurotic about posting and not having to think about whether or not it would be appropriate is helpful to me.

Like I said though, there will be spoilers.

http://pluralplurals.blogspot.com/ (http://pluralplurals.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on April 30, 2012, 19:35:56
I won't be visiting your blog or watching the video you posted, because I want to avoid spoilers as much as possible. So, I think the blog is a great idea. Finding the right balance between previews and spoilers is something I think a lot of us struggle with. Especially when we're proud of our work and want to show it off.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on May 01, 2012, 12:15:54
I'm  reading it, mainly because I'm such a naive thinker that I'm very hard to spoil.  In other words, I experience things for the first time every time I do them.  So for me it is simply interesting thoughts, though I am surprised at the level of detail you get into on the blog.  No, wait, based on the  level of detail in your level design, this should be obvious.  I would only caution you about letting your creativity dry out by posting to much on blogs.  This can be like a writer constantly talking about his book, then never feeling the urge to write. 

I'll try and leave you a few comments eventually, when I have more time.  Good thoughts and content though.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on May 01, 2012, 16:30:19
I watched the first three quarters of the video and was blown away; it looks fantastic! Like someone else said, you need to be careful about explaining the gadgetry to the players in the early sections, like the save-points and lifts. Also, there were a few points watching where I wasn't sure what was floor/wall and what was hollow, though that may have been 'cus I was watching the low-quality video.

This looks like its gonna be great. I won't finish the video or read the blog 'cus I don't want it spoiled. Personally I'd save revealing that sort of information for after the release.
Any idea how much you've done? (Half? A quarter?)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Medic-Ted on May 15, 2012, 18:27:59
Damn it now I'm frustrated again to continue work on my own environmental level.I need people to make crap so my own level can look better.

(I love what you've done so far.)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on July 10, 2012, 21:24:44
I decided to include a tutorial as was suggested but I branched it off into its own prologue level. It's still basically connected to this but yeah. If anyone wants to beta test it's here: http://pluralplurals.blogspot.com/2012/07/beta.html

I don't think there are any spoilers in that post. I think I used a couple things I can reuse in the full game. I'll probably make a post to the level release forum by the end of the week, I don't think there are any errors left but there could be, so many duplicated rooms I just don't know. Anyway, I thought I'd bump this for that reason because I want to avoid any void screens/what-have-you and people are usually much better at breaking what I've made than I am. Don't feel the absolute need to test it though because people already have been.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: oskop on December 29, 2012, 05:53:51
Is there any chance this will ever get done? The irony of a suspended sputzna inspired level... Really love what I see in that video and enjoyed "Orientation", imagine you might not be around to read this but if it's cheering on you're lacking, I'm here hoping to see this finished.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on December 29, 2012, 08:24:52
Weird that you should bump this now, I was just looking over this thread a few days ago in order to make the following fanart:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/sergiocornaga/emptyplanetfanart-1.png)

When I showed it to plural I was assured that the level would see completion, which should be good news for you.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on December 29, 2012, 23:09:27
Very nice Sergio! I want to play this level even more now. Thanks for the inside information too.

I've been thinking about The Empty Planet myself lately. A while ago with Plural's permission, I made some homages to this level too. Until The Empty Planet is released they have no significance to the general public though, so I won't reveal them. :shifty:
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on December 31, 2012, 16:41:33
Man... very exciting!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on January 07, 2013, 19:00:47
I was sort of taking a break/working on other things partly because I was frustrated by the limitations of Knytt Stories and I was just too busy (I also stupidly was making a large update to Orientation for some reason because I wanted to bump the thread but didn't have a reason but I bottomed out working on it, I'll finish that and bump that level once I finish this one). I've started working on this again in earnest, though I probably won't have anything to post about for a while because I'm mostly expanding/finishing/cleaning up the areas that I've already shown.

Because this was made with multiple paths/endings in mind my plan right now is to get as much done as I can until I hit the 255 custom object limit and then paring it back to a finished project. I'm at about 100 right now, so here's to hoping I don't even reach the limit because I've become adept(?) at reusing assets.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Widget on January 07, 2013, 22:11:17
I was sort of taking a break/working on other things partly because I was frustrated by the limitations of Knytt Stories and I was just too busy (I also stupidly was making a large update to Orientation for some reason because I wanted to bump the thread but didn't have a reason but I bottomed out working on it, I'll finish that and bump that level once I finish this one). I've started working on this again in earnest, though I probably won't have anything to post about for a while because I'm mostly expanding/finishing/cleaning up the areas that I've already shown.

It's good to hear that you're working on this again. Though I'm not usually much of a fan of environmental levels, your work to date is fantastic  :)

Because this was made with multiple paths/endings in mind my plan right now is to get as much done as I can until I hit the 255 custom object limit and then paring it back to a finished project. I'm at about 100 right now, so here's to hoping I don't even reach the limit because I've become adept(?) at reusing assets.

That's a textbook example of the correct context in which to use the word adept (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/adept).
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on January 12, 2013, 23:04:37
Very exciting.  Have you looked into egomassive's KS+ editor yet?  He is almost done with all the mods and it promises to be much less limited and much easier to use then the original editor...
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on February 21, 2013, 08:19:54
Very exciting.  Have you looked into egomassive's KS+ editor yet?  He is almost done with all the mods and it promises to be much less limited and much easier to use then the original editor...
Basically, I'm a coward. I don't want to possibly exclude some people on the basis of them being unwilling to use KS+. I think everyone should use it as it's far superior to the normal version for the zoom function alone but I also want anyone who's just using vanilla KS to be able to play it as well. Some of the features are really tempting but they're not exactly what's been frustrating me in creating levels. That is almost exclusively the layer 6/7 tick before it loads in exposing all those custom objects and most importantly hiding Juni. I'm very excited seeing Egomassive working specifically on this type of issue in the official KS+ thread. Sorry for not responding sooner but I'm not very good at communicating in a timely manner.

Anyway... still plugging along... I guess I'll post some progress. First, more specifically, actual progress so you can see how one screen has changed since last I showed it to you:

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/12-1_zps861ff99a.png)

Also, here's another...

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/13_zpsed567961.png)

I've reached a point where I have one ending. Which doesn't mean much because of how the story branches but it basically means I'm done with a second area aside from the first one. so I'd say I'm 2/5 done on the actual level and maybe 3/5 done on assets. and hopefully I can contain myself and stop from tweaking old areas I've already finished.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Polana on February 21, 2013, 10:20:08
The first screenshot looks amazing...
I can't wait to play this.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: pfrangip on February 21, 2013, 14:05:01
This does look amazingly epic. I'm looking forward to this.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Dj Gopher on February 21, 2013, 21:02:19
This looks fantastic. I remember thinking your last level (I'm blanking on the name right now, but it had some similarity to Portal and Juni was subject to testing) was excellent but that with a stronger story it could easily become one of the best levels I've played. This has all the beauty and intricacy of that level, but it appears to have a great story to it as well.
Needless to say I'm excited :)

Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Purple Ink on February 23, 2013, 14:02:30
This does look amazingly epic. I'm looking forward to this.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: bulbapuck on February 28, 2013, 17:18:25
Whoa, I had completely missed this. Interesting graphical style, looks very good. I look forward to this one. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 17, 2013, 06:26:07
Like everyone has already said , you have a wonderful and quite and interesting art style and direction.
I'm loving all the complexities and small areas of details within the screenshots.
There is going to be quite an atmosphere with this level, good luck!  C)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on August 25, 2013, 14:51:49
I know I haven't really been updating anything about this lately but I have been working on it. I just wanted to say that this is going to be a KS+ only level now. There were some discrepancies with the speed at which wallswimming was occurring between KS+ and 1.2.1. Rather than try to figure out what was happening it really just made me decide to use KS+ alone so that I can avoid there being any discrepancies at all.  Add that to the increased rendering speed on layer 6/7 and 2x zoom making my screens look less cluttered and I feel that it'd be stupid of me not to make it the only option. I'm sure I will use other features as well but that's my main concern. I hope that decision doesn't deter anyone from playing it in the future, but I hope even more that this drives anyone who's reading this to use KS+ as it provides superior experience.

Anyway, for those of you to whom this doesn't matter for one reason or another, here's a couple pictures of me taking a second pass over a screen:
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/ice_zpse8e25bfc.png)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/Fplusone/knytt/icee_zps3378e10a.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on August 25, 2013, 17:52:35
These improvements really impress me. You achieved a mega-nice effect with that new ice. I'm also glad to hear about the KS+ switch... now you'll have finally eradicated any need to worry about 'the tick', right?

Glad to see you're still working on this, I appreciate these occasional updates.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Headgrinder on August 25, 2013, 21:11:25
Ooohoohooo, very sweet looking.  And KS+ rocks too, so I'm quite happy with your update.  :D
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: juhj on August 26, 2013, 15:54:30
Awesome level!
I totally love the previews.

I tried downloading the beta but this happened:
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Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on August 27, 2013, 10:48:51
Hmm. I think you're referring to a beta to the level Orientation which is currently in the level release forum with freshly updated download links. Here's a link: http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5446.0

I haven't released any beta of this level to the public yet. And that's yet another mediafire sniper shot to anything I've uploaded to it before I made an account.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: lilmanjs16 on August 30, 2013, 22:11:27
Just saw the latest screens update and this blows me away. Nicely done with the ice on the screens. Can't wait to see this finished.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Latmey on December 05, 2013, 11:48:26
Wanted to let you know that I'm extremely excited for this to be released. 'Orientation' was fantastic, and this level looks even more beautiful. I'll be keeping an eye on this, crossing my fingers that it comes out soon!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: oskop on December 25, 2013, 19:15:35
is this ever coming out? it looks soooo good.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on December 25, 2013, 23:46:38
The transfer to KS+ has actually started a lot more work for me. It's nothing wrong with ego's mod it's just that the new features compel me to use them.

While I haven't done a lot with it lately, I've mostly been cleaning bits up and drastically editing dialogue. A lot of the level was based upon only being able to use three pieces of dialogue per screen so things were often vague because of that limitation. I'm trying to stretch things out but it's not working as well as I'd hoped because for wallswim "cutscenes" I had been using shifts to transfer to new dialogue segments often even by the same characters, the ability to use as many different  new signs (limited to three) per screen means that all those "cutscenes" now scroll through themselves rather than let the user slowly parse through and press down to go to the next piece of the sign. So I wanted to fix this problem and let people go through it without the game going through itself but certain scenes are almost dependent (some entirely dependent) on there being no agency to stop the progression through the next screen.

So, I started ignoring that and hoping either it wouldn't matter or I'd think of a way to get by it later but now I wanted to have signs that are from different sources look different. It's a lot of work for very little payoff but I guess I've committed myself. Basically part of the font spritesheet has leftover characters you're never going to use. ego gave me the idea and it's definitely not too thought intensive but it's a lot of busy work. so as an example:

\\ YOU SHOULD BE AT THE BEACON \\
translates in the editor to:
ÜÜ ÙÏÕ ÓÈÏÕÌÄ ÂÅ ÁÔ ÔÈÅ ÂÅÁÃÏÎ ÜÜ

(it's all caps so that there's room for a whole other different looking font to represent a different "sounding" sign)

I wanted to release a beta by around now that at least had the first two side endings in there so that at least three of the five areas of the game would be complete but I'm only nearing completion of the third.

Also, I've been really disconcerted about flags and how I want to handle the ending area/replayability/true ending. I REALLY want to be able to shift based on parameters, like using a flag warp conditional entry onto a screen instead of a conditional entry based on a screen to screen walk rather than shift. It creates a situation I've been thinking about for a while that means I probably have to room duplicate two areas over five times each or more.

So yeah, still working on it, not as much as I should but it's not abandoned or anything. Although I was going to make a level for that competition but stopped when I realized I couldn't finish it in time and I also really need to stop doing other things instead of this. It was going to be connected to this though, so I've decided to incorporate what I made into the level.

Basically it was a title screen that fades in smash cuts to the next screen where the title fades out. I guess I'll use it as one of the side ending scenes in this level now.

(http://i.imgur.com/riPHQxp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HBhzQso.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on November 29, 2014, 16:33:57
Hey Plural, I know it's been very nearly a year since this was updated ( :ohnoes: ) but I have been thinking about this level and wondering if things are still happening to it. Your screenshots are wonderful, it's clear you've put tons of work into it, and I'd hate for it to die unmade.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on November 30, 2014, 15:34:02
I'm still very slowly working on the level. I made a deal with myself that I'd release what I have so far as either a demo or beta or something when egomassive posts his next level as there will be a slight connection that really won't be relevant unless this level is released. As per usual I've gotten bogged down in adding secret side areas that nobody will ever see. But I'm still working on it, however slowly. If I ever did abandon it I would release what's done because there is at least one path/ending complete but I have no plans to do so. I've just devoted less time to this than I should, playing too many videogames and watching too much TV.

(http://i.imgur.com/rhlnjhx.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on December 01, 2014, 01:00:01
Hey, it's a hobby, not a duty. :) But I'm glad to know you're still going. I look back on how quickly I made 'Eurydice' and the first half of 'Dragon Myth' and I'm amazed by it. Aside from any questions of inspiration and motivation, I don't know how I found the time!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on December 02, 2014, 06:51:29
I made a deal with myself that I'd release what I have so far as either a demo or beta or something when egomassive posts his next level as there will be a slight connection that really won't be relevant unless this level is released.
Um. I made a reference to this level in "Endless Winter" which was released some time ago. That's right people. I make references to things that haven't happened yet. It's going to be the best Easter egg ever.

My upcoming level is packed with subtle and not so subtle references. I expect I'll find places to homage Plurals contributions to the Knytt universe.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on December 02, 2014, 09:21:04
A testament to my self-involvement and forgetfulness. Or perhaps denial in that I was hoping I would always have more time, especially if what I was waiting for would never happen. Reading the words back it came in like a flood and I feel foolish but also amazed at how much I can easily forget. I remember the level and that was part of the reason I even played it (I confess I'm not a fan of group level construction, which you all would generously bear witness to in the future, now past). Well, anyway...

Here's a splash screen of sorts that is pretty much at the very beginning of the level, so someone in the distant future may play this level or that one and go, huh and then forget about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8GGcm7PLtk

And, while I'm uploading things to youtube, here's the beginning of that level I abandoned before that I mentioned using the art in this level (it was a spinoff of this anyway). Also worth mentioning when posting this, it shows how clean you can do screen transitions with KS+ and how easily that can meld with narrative. Timed shifts, sign shifts, hiding the character, triggers on shifts and all that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJfO5Dd4us

Don't feel bad that I either didn't remember the level you mentioned and also didn't remember even playing it. I literally forgot I made Orientation. I kept thinking about how since I started this level I've done nothing at all and I kept wondering how it was that it's been over two years and it felt like I hadn't done nearly as much as it had felt like. My brain is an iota of scattershot away from forgetting my own name. I swear.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Ultigonio on December 02, 2014, 10:12:35
You know, this thread getting bumped made me check out Orientation, which was, well... actually quite stunning in presentation.  And then I realized that I actually had played almost none of Trapped - so I went and played that through, and found it to be an amazing exploration of screen-wrapping in terms of level design.  Also a fantastic presentation.  And then I decided I'd try out Day 901, too, and that had a wonderfully unsettling atmosphere.  Needless to say, now I'm quite interested to see what you do with this.  

It's actually kind of intriguing to come back to this forum with a degree of consistency after being mostly absent for a while - even though it seems very, very quiet, there's always something going on.  Several people, just chipping away at their own projects.  Gives an interesting sense of motion to the community that I don't really feel elsewhere.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on April 13, 2015, 00:50:33
Don't worry, still chipping away...
(http://i.imgur.com/PmQ9Lc0.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on April 13, 2015, 01:09:55
That is good news!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: ixMarcel on April 13, 2015, 14:45:19
Nice!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on June 09, 2016, 09:46:35
Still working. Though, I wouldn't say I have a good work ethic toward this, I assure you, it will be done. I'll probably wrap it up when I run out of custom objects. I'm up to about 230. Though I wouldn't take that as an indication of how close I am to finishing just how close I am to being close.

(http://i.imgur.com/qpRrINt.png)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: ixMarcel on June 09, 2016, 09:55:19
Still working on it after almost 5 years in development, that's great to hear! Keep it up and good luck.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: yohji on June 18, 2016, 18:07:00
Determination bonus: +1000
Excitement factor increase: 150%

 :D
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Purple Ink on June 22, 2016, 02:17:16
Great to see a project of this magnitude still in the works. Keep it up!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: ixMarcel on March 01, 2018, 19:26:38
Here with the annual bump. Any... luck with finishing the level, plural?

I have to say, this is probably the most elusive KS level to date. I hope we all see it being released someday. Take your time.

(You should probably set some kind of failsafe switch that will release the unfinished project if something ever happens to you. Just saying...)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on March 01, 2018, 23:00:03
I'm still working on it, not nearly as much as I should, I've had pneumonia recently so I've been ignoring things like this but I'm feeling much better and I'd hope to finish this soon. The truth is that most of the level is done but certain sequences that might be called cutscenes have represented large roadblocks because of the work involved that I just don't want to do. Though I've said to myself that when I reach the limit of custom objects then I simply have to finish the level because I'll be far too limited by that point anyway and as of now I'm up to 249 custom objects, so I've stopped adding anything but trying to finish the cutscene portions, though, admittedly, I've been resorting to playing up the glitch aspect of the level to just lazy my way around actually having to do things.

Here's a screen:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZuK6X3e.png)

Also, this is the intro to the level that's done. So you wouldn't really be spoiling anything since it's exactly how it starts. Half the screens are things I made but I didn't find a way to include in the level or were made for a different level or you fall through the screen so you don't really get to see it, so I thought they'd be easy to include here. Youtube playback doesn't seem to work that well for me but I'm not sure how to fix it or what's wrong or if it's just me, hope it works though.
https://youtu.be/yVacxKtby8U (thanks to ixMarcel for uploading this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Gwi_c_wE8 (this video is broken, leaving it here for posterity)

Also, I don't know if this qualifies as scope creep but there's going to be a level hidden inside of this level (or at least a way to find a link for it) because I made it and wasn't really happy with my writing on it but instead of throwing it away I thought I'd use it as an easter egg. It's a sequel to the most recent level I posted. Here's the first screen of that level, though it may be spoiler-y.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: egomassive on March 02, 2018, 00:59:17
I've had a secret plan to make bank 254 also custom objects if I run out of slots for my big project, but I wanted to avoid that. I work better within limitations. Your last post has convinced me that I never should, because I want to play this so badly.

The video played badly for me too. I ripped it and it played fine. Reaction:  :whoa: :whoa: :whoa: <3
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on March 02, 2018, 01:23:31
:whoa: :whoa: :whoa: <3 indeed. That video's stunning. I'm glad to hear both you and the level are in good health!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on March 02, 2018, 14:36:04
The video played badly for me too. I ripped it and it played fine. Reaction:  :whoa: :whoa: :whoa: <3

Can you reupload it? I have never seen a Youtube Video do what this one's doing...

Also, even without seeing this I share all the excitement and hype!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: ixMarcel on March 02, 2018, 16:59:12
I reuploaded the video (https://youtu.be/yVacxKtby8U) Will take down if plural uploads it again

The intro looks amazing! I'm not sure if the glitchyness is intended or not, but I LOVE it nonetheless!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on March 03, 2018, 13:04:46
And the prize for Winning at Knytt Stories is immediately awarded to Plural...
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on March 04, 2018, 07:54:01
I reuploaded the video (https://youtu.be/yVacxKtby8U) Will take down if plural uploads it again

The intro looks amazing! I'm not sure if the glitchyness is intended or not, but I LOVE it nonetheless!
Thanks for the re-upload, I have no idea why mine came out so broken. I'll edit my post to that link.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: millsmess on March 05, 2018, 17:19:59
Wow! I've been hoping to play this level for several years now, and now I want to even more!

Looks really, really awesome.  :)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: SC on March 06, 2018, 07:14:01
I just.

Wow.

I knew there was a reason this level has taken so long to come out, and this intro alone has already im-pressed me. I thought Dragon Myth, Deep Freeze, and Advena were already impressive enough, but... this...

This feels like an actual professional indie game released within the past five years that has gotten quite a following just from the intro alone. This is the kind of stuff I would see from NITW, Oxenfree, Kentucky Route Zero, Firewatch, ...

Just. Keep going. Once you feel you're ready to release this, do it. Don't let the end product be sloppy. Make the gameplay + ending live up to the hype the intro brings.

You can do this.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Purple Ink on March 14, 2018, 09:13:27
And the prize for Winning at Knytt Stories is immediately awarded to Plural...

I agree. I knew it was possible to beat levels but I didn't know you could actually win the entire game. Then I saw that video.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: LPChip on March 14, 2018, 13:39:04
Indeed, very impressive. I always knew it could be done, but it takes a lot of effort and talent to pull it off this well. Amazing job Plural. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: plural on March 18, 2019, 22:21:58
I've been working on this in earnest lately. I really want to be done soon but I'm bad at concluding.
(https://i.imgur.com/fXQwwdv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CXt4Jca.gif)
My scope creep secret:
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: sergiocornaga on March 20, 2019, 15:47:34
Amazing to see an update since I still think about the state of this level pretty frequently. Given its size already, I half-expect you to eventually reach a point where it somehow becomes impossible to add more… which on the bright side would probably lead pretty quickly to completion and release.
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: BanderAnder on March 20, 2019, 18:54:57
That looks really lovely! Cool consistent style! I can only imagine that the storytelling will be awesome too, based of your previous stuff.
PS: If your not already on the Discord channel, consider joining since that seems to be the place nowadays to post (or lurk).
Cheers!
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: Talps on April 04, 2019, 15:05:49
:D

(That is all)

(Except to say I am hypnotised staring at your screenshots)
Title: Re: [Environmental/Misc] The Empty Planet
Post by: ZaratUshtrA.2.0 on May 05, 2019, 13:45:32
Second screenshot... Very.. Wow )