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General => Other Free Games => Topic started by: Salmoneous on April 11, 2009, 00:38:11

Title: Why must games be free?
Post by: Salmoneous on April 11, 2009, 00:38:11
Why must the games here be free?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 11, 2009, 01:50:28
Because you don't want to advertise games that someone goes out to buy just because you praise it and post maybe one good screenshot. The idea behind this board is to share great games, not tell people to buy them.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Pumpkinbot on April 11, 2009, 02:27:17
Because you don't want to advertise games that someone goes out to buy just because you praise it and post maybe one good screenshot. The idea behind this board is to share great games, not tell people to buy them.
Well said.

It's also because, if you like one game and post a screenshot of it, someone may like the screenshot, buy the game, and then not like the game. Then, you'll be harrassed, leading to an argument, which is against the forum's rules, banning both of you. :)
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: googoogjoob on April 11, 2009, 03:53:49
I think the idea was that these are other free games, posted on a forum concerned with one particular maker of free games.

Of course, some of the games that have been posted are semi-free, like shareware. That is, you can play for free, but you can get more stuff from the game if you pay to register/buy/whatever. And now that Nifflas has a game being released commercially, the "other free games" label is slightly misleading.

I wouldn't have a problem with non-free games being posted, as long as they were clearly labelled to separate them from the freeware games.

And if someone buys a game based on a screenshot, and then doesn't like the game, they have no right to be angry with whoever posted the game, unless the person who posted the game was demonstrably lying about it.  It's not really any different than buying a game at a store based on the box art. And the person doing the harassing would get banned, not the person who posted the game. (Unless that person fought harassment with harassment, of course.)
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on April 12, 2009, 12:11:26
But I do have a problem with posting semi-free games.

You play a game, and then you get addicted, and must pay to play the entire game. There are lots of good free games. In the past, we didn't allowed it, and I don't see a reason why we suddenly should allow demo's, shareware, etc.

The entire idea is: Nifflas has made all his games for free (with exception of nightgame and possible future games) but they're all still free. We do not want to obligate members to play only half a game, especially if discussions start to happen about games that you can only take part of, after you've bought the game.

Example of something I want to prevent:

Someone posts a game with demo version. The person itself bought it.

Another person bought it too, but got stuck in level 15 and he posts his question about it. Another person then wants to help, but he finds out that he doesn't even have the full version, meaning that he misses out on everything.

So once again: No, only entirelly free games are allowed. If at some point you have to pay to get to play everything, then simply don't post about it. Telling about it at IRC is okay though.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: TheoX on April 14, 2009, 01:21:53
Ah, that makes sense.  Sorry about the recent topic, which you apparently deleted. :oops:
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Strange Darkness on April 14, 2009, 01:39:05
But I do have a problem with posting semi-free games.
What about Soldat (an awesome addictive shooter) thats semi free because you can register, but the funny thing is register gives you nothing  XD ohhh some more colors and music  or you can make a custom character woopde-fricken-doo  X-P
so can games like that can they be posted (soldat has already been posted but i mean in furure reference)? i mean the register doesnt make much of a difference (for some games that is  :( ) :huh:
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on April 14, 2009, 11:50:10
But registration is free right?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Miss Paula on April 14, 2009, 14:37:21
I'd say that games that you CAN register for (if that may be free or not), are allowed, as long as you don't NEED to register to play properly. If registering just gives you gimmicks without which you can still win/have fun/whatever, that should be alright.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: 4a on April 15, 2009, 17:13:16
I'd say that games that you CAN register for (if that may be free or not), are allowed, as long as you don't NEED to register to play properly. If registering just gives you gimmicks without which you can still win/have fun/whatever, that should be alright.

As opposed to, like, demos for games that you need to buy to experience fully or whatever, right? :O
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Miss Paula on April 15, 2009, 21:19:51
right.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LimeLemon on April 16, 2009, 10:53:51
What about most MMOs? You can play and do lots of stuff for free, but to get the most powerful weapons, coolest armors, extra gold or such you have to pay.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: googoogjoob on April 16, 2009, 11:18:02
RuneScape was posted and promptly deleted.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: 4a on April 16, 2009, 16:02:44
RuneScape was posted and promptly deleted.

If only the same could be said of the real thing, eh?  <_<
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Salmoneous on April 16, 2009, 16:52:12
Because you don't want to advertise games that someone goes out to buy just because you praise it and post maybe one good screenshot. The idea behind this board is to share great games, not tell people to buy them.

Don't you advertise every game you post? And its pretty hard to tell ppl what to do over internet.

It's also because, if you like one game and post a screenshot of it, someone may like the screenshot, buy the game, and then not like the game. Then, you'll be harrassed, leading to an argument, which is against the forum's rules, banning both of you. :)

Its up to the person himself to buy the game and if he dont like it he cant blame it on anyone but himself.

Example of something I want to prevent:

Someone posts a game with demo version. The person itself bought it.

Another person bought it too, but got stuck in level 15 and he posts his question about it. Another person then wants to help, but he finds out that he doesn't even have the full version, meaning that he misses out on everything.

That is a good example and it could happen. But I don't see how it could be such a big problem that we cant post unfree and semi-free games.


I'm sry I ask so many questions, it must be irritating.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Kasran on April 16, 2009, 16:58:09
It's a free games forum because we like free games more than games you have to pay for. (Well, at least I do.)
I, for one, don't want to waste my money on buying a game when I could get another game for free and like it just as much, if not more.

Sorry if I don't make sense; I just woke up. Feel free to break down my arguments in whatever way you see fit.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: 4a on April 16, 2009, 18:15:20
Because you don't want to advertise games that someone goes out to buy just because you praise it and post maybe one good screenshot. The idea behind this board is to share great games, not tell people to buy them.

Don't you advertise every game you post? And its pretty hard to tell ppl what to do over internet.

Advertising usually means praising something with the intent of getting someone to buy a product. It's not really the same thing if you're just saying a free game is fun. And it is very easy to tell people what to do over the internet. I could tell someone to fly like a pig--that doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it.


Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: googoogjoob on April 16, 2009, 18:46:53
There has to be some restriction on exactly which games can be posted. On the old forum, there were some borderline cases. The (commercial) DROD games were posted, but allowed once it was made clear one of the DROD games was free. The Spore Creature Creator demo was posted, and never locked or deleted, even though it is a demo in the sense explicitly prohibited here- it contains one-fourth of the parts available in the actual commercial Spore game, and then the Creature Creator ties in heavily to the much larger game itself.

It's a free games forum because we like free games more than games you have to pay for. (Well, at least I do.)
I, for one, don't want to waste my money on buying a game when I could get another game for free and like it just as much, if not more.

No two games can give the player the exact same experience (unless one is a cheap clone of the other). Having a (free) game you like as much as another (commercial) game doesn't mean that the free game can be an adequate substitute for the experience provided by the commercial game, and the other way around. It's like saying, "Why buy new novels when I can read public domain books online for free?" It isn't wrong, but it limits your opportunities for new experiences considerably. (I mean, beyond the immediate attraction of not having to pay for one experience, of course.)
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on April 16, 2009, 19:29:15
Sorry to be blunt here, but...

I will keep providing the reasoning why we aren't allowing it, but we will not change this. So unless you are unsure about why we do it, asking us to change this policy is useless.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: 4a on April 16, 2009, 19:37:05
Sorry to be blunt here, but...

I will keep providing the reasoning why we aren't allowing it, but we will not change this. So unless you are unsure about why we do it, asking us to change this policy is useless.

That's not blunt enough!
You have to say, "Shut up! We're not changing it and that's final!"
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on April 16, 2009, 19:39:56
That's not blunt enough!
You have to say, "Shut up! We're not changing it and that's final!"
Thats another way to put it... C)
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: TheoX on April 21, 2009, 19:06:05
Bluntness gets the point across. :P2

RuneScape was posted and promptly deleted.
good work.

If only the same could be said of the real thing, eh?  <_<
amen. XD
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on December 07, 2009, 08:02:35
I wonder if Puzzle Pirates would be deleted as well if it is posted here. I mean, if you are on the right server, you don't have to pay to get that special currency, you can get it at the bank. So its free/semi-semi-free
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: minmay on December 08, 2009, 01:16:00
Given the nature of that game, I'd say no, it doesn't qualify as free.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on December 23, 2009, 11:41:32
Thanks for telling.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Bass on January 18, 2010, 09:28:12
Nifflas' games aren't free.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on January 18, 2010, 11:26:51
Nifflas' games aren't free.

Your point?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 20, 2010, 15:50:00
Bass, i know you're banned, and that this topic has pretty much died, but that doesn't keep me from telling you that Nifflas' games are free.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yoeri on July 20, 2010, 15:51:49
saira?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 20, 2010, 16:56:11
saira?
Knytt Stories? FiNCK? WaDF? Car Game? Geoffrey The Fly? ModArchive Story? Any other game?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yoeri on July 20, 2010, 18:51:02
saira isn't free
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 20, 2010, 18:59:38
I know, but it's pretty much the only game that isn't free.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: minmay on July 20, 2010, 19:00:50
...FiNCK?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 20, 2010, 19:02:02
I've got my hands on a freeware, non-pirated copy of FiNCK.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yoeri on July 20, 2010, 19:07:46
minmay meant the custom level stuff

also:
night sky?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 20, 2010, 19:20:56
minmay meant the custom level stuff
Actually, he meant the cheapest expansion pack there is.
night sky?
That sky hasn't come out yet.

Let's just end this discussion. Bass is banned for months now.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Miss Paula on July 20, 2010, 19:36:54
why did you feel the apparently impossible-to-fight urge to open the discussion again in the first place then? 9_9
wait, I don't want to know, it'd just lead more offtopic and would be just as unneeded.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on July 20, 2010, 23:05:36
Once again:

But I do have a problem with posting semi-free games.

You play a game, and then you get addicted, and must pay to play the entire game. There are lots of good free games. In the past, we didn't allowed it, and I don't see a reason why we suddenly should allow demo's, shareware, etc.

The entire idea is: Nifflas has made all his games for free (with exception of nightgame and possible future games) but they're all still free. We do not want to obligate members to play only half a game, especially if discussions start to happen about games that you can only take part of, after you've bought the game.

Example of something I want to prevent:

Someone posts a game with demo version. The person itself bought it.

Another person bought it too, but got stuck in level 15 and he posts his question about it. Another person then wants to help, but he finds out that he doesn't even have the full version, meaning that he misses out on everything.

So once again: No, only entirelly free games are allowed. If at some point you have to pay to get to play everything, then simply don't post about it. Telling about it at IRC is okay though.

And

Sorry to be blunt here, but...

I will keep providing the reasoning why we aren't allowing it, but we will not change this. So unless you are unsure about why we do it, asking us to change this policy is useless.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yukabacera on July 29, 2010, 19:34:35
But I do have a problem with posting semi-free games.

You play a game, and then you get addicted, and must pay to play the entire game. There are lots of good free games. In the past, we didn't allowed it, and I don't see a reason why we suddenly should allow demo's, shareware, etc.

The entire idea is: Nifflas has made all his games for free (with exception of nightgame and possible future games) but they're all still free. We do not want to obligate members to play only half a game, especially if discussions start to happen about games that you can only take part of, after you've bought the game.

Example of something I want to prevent:

Someone posts a game with demo version. The person itself bought it.

Another person bought it too, but got stuck in level 15 and he posts his question about it. Another person then wants to help, but he finds out that he doesn't even have the full version, meaning that he misses out on everything.

So once again: No, only entirelly free games are allowed. If at some point you have to pay to get to play everything, then simply don't post about it. Telling about it at IRC is okay though.

Quote from: A made-up topic called "Help me! Stuck at Nyquist-Meyer..."
MyMyocardiumHurts: Can anyone help me? I can't even get past the first puzzle, man this is hard...

ToDo-GetALife: One sec dude, I'll fire up Saira and check this out...

EDIT: Wait what system is this?

MyMyocardiumHurts: Goldschmidt. Please respond ASAP!

ToDo-GetALife: I can't get there...

MyMyocardiumHurts: Oh you've got the demo, man that's too bad...sorry  :(

Quote from: A made-up topic called "The Nuclear Factory (FiNCK) help..."
xxSaraxx: i cant figure out how to do that puzzle with the two bombs at the beginning????????? plz help me!

SmexyGal69: hold on gal i gonna check dis out

edit: wait wat the nuclear factory?????????

xxSaraxx: yes its a custom level...oh wait you dont have custom level support? too bad girl, id buy it for you but im broke  :( thanks for trying to help anyway!!!!!! XOXOXO

What now? This kind of scenario is entirely possible. Nifflas has got two games out that require you to pay: Saira and FiNCK. Okay, one level of FiNCK is freeware, but custom level support costs. And don't say "WTFD00D THATS LIKE THE CHEAPEST ADDON EVERR!!!!!". Cheap or not, you still have to pay.

(I'm convinced the mods will just say "GAMES YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR ARE A WASTE OF SPACE. SHUT UP.")

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Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 29, 2010, 20:50:41
What now? The kind of scenario LPChip wants to prevent is entirely possible with Nifflas' games.
Hey, wait, that's right! ...except for one thing. What are the odds that someone like ToDo-GetALife or SmexyGal69 actually goes to a board that obviously contains such topics?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yukabacera on July 29, 2010, 21:11:06
They're just example usernames. You really shouldn't take them seriously.  :P2

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Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Miss Paula on July 29, 2010, 21:19:46
I think the difference is that we want to encourage people to buy Nifflas' games. And many here do. (And we don't care too much about convincing people to buy other people's stuff).

Since this forum focuses on Niff's creations, it is far more likely to find people here who can help you in places about his games (even when not free), whereas games from other creators most likely have their own (sub)forum someplace else where you can discuss them extensively and get all the help you need.


also I think Straightflame possibly meant that people who don't have the full version of a game won't try to help in situations that obviously are about the full version.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 29, 2010, 21:48:59
They're just example usernames.
I know, and i also know that doesn't have anything to do with my objection.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on July 29, 2010, 23:47:57
There are a few reasons why the situation as described above is set as it is now.

1. The staff checks most (if not all) games that are being posted here. We do not want our younger visitors who come here being disturbed because someone posted a game with some 16+ or 18+ content in it. This can be horror based or even sex based. We have children visiting here that go down as young as 8 years (perhaps even younger).

2. This forum is made to share great free games you have played and you want to tell others about it. Its not the kind of forum to just chat about any popular game, also because this might overshadow Nifflas' game or even create a popular vs indie gamewar. Sure, I could make a topic about Call of Duty 4 (Though this would break the 16+ age limit) and tell how good I am in this game and how much I love it, but this is so much different from what games are generally being posted here. Besides, there are a lot of great gamesites to feature these games. If you really want to start a conversation about one of these non-free games, then use IRC.

3. The staff cannot change the way Nifflas brings his games. We're merely happy to be part of it all, just like you. Besides, we do support Nifflas and the way he wants to make a living out of his gamedevelopment.

4. True, its possible with Nifflas' games to come to a point that someone seeks help and doesn't have the full version because it costs money. Nifflas' games do not cost much, and I think I'm safe to say that when you speak of a Nifflas game, whether its free or not, you know before you play it, that you'll have a great time. Its almost an insurance that you can safely buy his game because you know on beforehand that it will be a great game anyway.

5. Don't forget, we created this forum as part of the off-topic chatter that we used to have but got out of control. In the worst case, where it seems that people do not want to have this very forum in the way it is now, is that we remove it all together.



I guess it all comes down to this: The vision of this forum is, share things for free, with the exception that Nifflas needs a little bit of cash to support himself.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: AClockworkLemon on July 30, 2010, 03:56:05
I guess it all comes down to this: The vision of this forum is, share things for free, with the exception that Nifflas needs a little bit of cash to support himself.
XD
I couldn't have said it better myself (which is probably why you are a mod, and i aint  :crazy:)
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yukabacera on July 30, 2010, 09:33:45
There are a few reasons why the situation as described above is set as it is now.

1. The staff checks most (if not all) games that are being posted here. We do not want our younger visitors who come here being disturbed because someone posted a game with some 16+ or 18+ content in it. This can be horror based or even sex based. We have children visiting here that go down as young as 8 years (perhaps even younger).

I cannot imagine a parent who would let a child of that age browse the internet unsupervised.

Then again, these days 1st grade girls have a Facebook profile and 1st grade boys play Counter-Strike, which just proves that, these days, the only things that can disturb kids are

1. Getting humiliated on Facebook
2. Losing in CS
3. Someone killing both of their parents and their dog.

2. This forum is made to share great free games you have played and you want to tell others about it. Its not the kind of forum to just chat about any popular game, also because this might overshadow Nifflas' game or even create a popular vs indie gamewar. Sure, I could make a topic about Call of Duty 4 (Though this would break the 16+ age limit) and tell how good I am in this game and how much I love it, but this is so much different from what games are generally being posted here. Besides, there are a lot of great gamesites to feature these games. If you really want to start a conversation about one of these non-free games, then use IRC.

Not everyone who plays these so-called "popular" games is a mindless fanboy who will buy anything that has Nintendo or Sony plastered all over it just to have it. It may seem shocking, but some people, such as yours truly, play these games so they can have fun and enjoy themselves.

And "overshadow Nifflas' games"? Really? Is he that scared of anyone on this forum even thinking about a game that isn't his?

3. The staff cannot change the way Nifflas brings his games. We're merely happy to be part of it all, just like you. Besides, we do support Nifflas and the way he wants to make a living out of his gamedevelopment.

Well, obviously he can't live on comments saying "This game is awesome." I support Nifflas and have played many of his games and enjoyed every one of them.

4. True, its possible with Nifflas' games to come to a point that someone seeks help and doesn't have the full version because it costs money. Nifflas' games do not cost much, and I think I'm safe to say that when you speak of a Nifflas game, whether its free or not, you know before you play it, that you'll have a great time. Its almost an insurance that you can safely buy his game because you know on beforehand that it will be a great game anyway.

While I admit this is true, when you put it this way, it sounds like "Hey people guess what! We have decided to turn the Other Free Games board into a WORSHIP NIFFLAS HE IS YOUR GOD board. In this board, you can post about how his games changed your life and how happy you are to fork over money to him and how you converted a pagan by making them play Knytt Stories. Post away, first one to post gets a free meal."

Nifflas' dedicated fanbase is looking more and more like a dedicated cult.

5. Don't forget, we created this forum as part of the off-topic chatter that we used to have but got out of control. In the worst case, where it seems that people do not want to have this very forum in the way it is now, is that we remove it all together.

I guess it all comes down to this: The vision of this forum is, share things for free, with the exception that Nifflas needs a little bit of cash to support himself.

So this board is a waste of space?

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Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on July 30, 2010, 11:31:53
I do not really see a reason to answer the rest of the questions, as you probably know the answer yourself. As stated earlier, this is not open for debate. But this last question, I'm eager to answer by projecting it back to you.

5. Don't forget, we created this forum as part of the off-topic chatter that we used to have but got out of control. In the worst case, where it seems that people do not want to have this very forum in the way it is now, is that we remove it all together.

I guess it all comes down to this: The vision of this forum is, share things for free, with the exception that Nifflas needs a little bit of cash to support himself.

So this board is a waste of space?

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Do you think its a waste of space?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 30, 2010, 12:50:23
So this isn't a waste of space?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on July 30, 2010, 13:21:56
I don't consider it a waste of space, because it still adds value to the forum.

People sometimes have an extra moment in which they like to be entertained. They can play a free game for those occasions.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on July 30, 2010, 13:24:36
So it's a waste of time?

...nah, just kiddin'.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Pick Yer Poison on August 19, 2010, 18:05:27
OK, what is with people trying to use the excuse "but Nifflas's games aren't all free" to say the rules on this board are wrong?

Point me to the topic ABOUT a Nifflas game on this board.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on August 19, 2010, 18:27:42
OK, what is with people trying to use the excuse "but Nifflas's games aren't all free" to say the rules on this board are wrong?
That's not an excuse, it's a fact.
Point me to the topic ABOUT a Nifflas game on this board.
What the heck does that even have to do with what we're discussing?
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: minmay on August 19, 2010, 19:28:08
I agree with the rule to only post freeware games.  I just disagree with its justification.
When you post a game here, what you're basically doing is advertising.  And advertising something that's free is fine; you're probably doing it because you want people to enjoy it, not because you want money.  If you're advertising something that costs money, you're probably doing it to make money - perhaps not for you, but for someone.  This is a powerful motivator, and I'm certain that if the rule was removed, this subforum would quickly be flooded with hundreds of games - which defeats the purpose of the subforum entirely.

Now, obviously there is a lot of overlap here; free games that request donations, free games with non-free expansion packs, and a lot of other things.  But if you want to advertise, there are plenty of other places to do it.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Pick Yer Poison on August 19, 2010, 23:43:36
OK, what is with people trying to use the excuse "but Nifflas's games aren't all free" to say the rules on this board are wrong?
That's not an excuse, it's a fact.
Point me to the topic ABOUT a Nifflas game on this board.
What the heck does that even have to do with what we're discussing?

It's relevant because some people are trying to say that the board should allow games that aren't free because not all of Nifflas's games are free. However, that has nothing to do with this board; none of Nifflas's games have ever been posted in here. Saying that they support your position would require them to have been posted in here, thus breaking the rules in place; however, they haven't been posted in this board. They're completely separate from it, and trying to reference them is basically referencing something completely irrelevant to your argument.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: Yukabacera on August 20, 2010, 00:10:15
It's relevant because some people are trying to say that the board should allow games that aren't free because not all of Nifflas's games are free. However, that has nothing to do with this board; none of Nifflas's games have ever been posted in here. Saying that they support your position would require them to have been posted in here, thus breaking the rules in place; however, they haven't been posted in this board. They're completely separate from it, and trying to reference them is basically referencing something completely irrelevant to your argument.

First off, it's MY argument. And second, why would you actually post about Nifflas' games in here? It's not called "Nifflas' Free Games", it's called "Other Free Games".

But this is not relevant, what IS relevant is why I brought up Nifflas' games in the first place: to prove LPChip wrong. His excuse was that someone could try to help a person who has the full version, and then find out they have the demo. Well, excuse me, but this can happen with Nifflas' games too and no one can say it won't ever happen.

And minmay, really? Because, just yesterday, I told my friend about a new game I just got. Did I do that because I wanted to earn some money for a corporation? OF COURSE NOT, I did it because I wanted him to play it and see if he likes it.

Besides, as you said, when you post about a freeware game, you're advertising that one too. And when freeware developers become famous, they just rub their grubby little hands together and say "Okay, I've got a dedicated fanbase, I've released many popular free games, and now let's make those poor saps PAY!" And bam, freeware developer turned PAY PAY PAY PAY FOR MY AWESOME GAMES MY UNDERLINGS developer. It happened. It happens. And it will ALWAYS happen.

And I don't think this forum would get flooded with thousands of games, first of all, I don't think there's enough active members to do that, second, I don't think people will start talking about, oh, I don't know, Call of Duty, or Half-Life 2, or something like that: everyone knows about those games, and I think most of the members here are mature enough to NOT starting posting about those. I never wanted THAT to happen, what I had in mind were games that aren't exactly mainstream: the ones that are more obscure and the ones not everyone has in their library, but they still require you to pay.

Why am I replying anyway? I know NOTHING will ever change. We've got our own little controlled, claustrophobic forum here, with the rules that will never change. (unless the mods have to do some "under-the-table" work, if you know what I mean)

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Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: StraightFlame on August 20, 2010, 00:12:59
It's relevant because some people are trying to say that the board should allow games that aren't free because not all of Nifflas's games are free.
But that doesn't mean you should post them here.
Saying that they support your position would require them to have been posted in here, thus breaking the rules in place.
And why would that be? I don't see any reason why they should be posted to support our position.
However, they haven't been posted in this board. They're completely separate from it.
But still, they're not separate from the forum.
Trying to reference them is basically referencing something completely irrelevant to your argument.
No, it's not. Read all of Yukabacera's posts again, and you'll understand.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: minmay on August 20, 2010, 16:45:20
And minmay, really? Because, just yesterday, I told my friend about a new game I just got. Did I do that because I wanted to earn some money for a corporation? OF COURSE NOT, I did it because I wanted him to play it and see if he likes it.
Exaggerating everything your opponents say is not a very good method of argument.  Obviously I don't mean that every time you talk about a game, it's to get someone else to buy it.  It's possible that you would never have that motivation, in fact.  But a single person does not represent the entire forum.

Besides, as you said, when you post about a freeware game, you're advertising that one too. And when freeware developers become famous, they just rub their grubby little hands together and say "Okay, I've got a dedicated fanbase, I've released many popular free games, and now let's make those poor saps PAY!" And bam, freeware developer turned PAY PAY PAY PAY FOR MY AWESOME GAMES MY UNDERLINGS developer. It happened. It happens. And it will ALWAYS happen.
Of course it will, but it doesn't happen to every game - indeed, most games posted here will still be free when this forum is gone.  Just look at the 25 oldest topics; how many of those games are still free?  Almost all of them.

And I don't think this forum would get flooded with thousands of games, first of all, I don't think there's enough active members to do that, second, I don't think people will start talking about, oh, I don't know, Call of Duty, or Half-Life 2, or something like that: everyone knows about those games, and I think most of the members here are mature enough to NOT starting posting about those. I never wanted THAT to happen, what I had in mind were games that aren't exactly mainstream: the ones that are more obscure and the ones not everyone has in their library, but they still require you to pay.
It doesn't matter whether they're "mainstream" or not.  Some people are still going to just post every game they have, and with several people that adds up.  Furthermore, a lot of people here are obviously just waiting for a chance to post these games.
And I guarantee that much of it will basically be advertising; people will want to support the game's developer, and figure that the best way to do that is to get more people to buy the game by posting it here.

Why am I replying anyway? I know NOTHING will ever change. We've got our own little controlled, claustrophobic forum here, with the rules that will never change. (unless the mods have to do some "under-the-table" work, if you know what I mean)
Agreed.  But irrelevant.
Title: Re: Why must games be free?
Post by: LPChip on August 20, 2010, 19:52:19
I have no problems with discussions, but I think its pointless to discuss something that is not subject to change. As I've stated a few times, questions can be answered, but asking for a change won't happen.

I've let this become a discussion so far, but its turing into an argument.

I've discussed this matter with the staff, and we all agreed that we should stop this here and now.

I'm therefor locking this topic.